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Backup Throughput HALVED Mysteriously....

Hello everyone. I'm hoping to get some resolution on this issue. Here's the situation:

Backup Exec 12 Installed on EFSSVR11 in April. Throughput speeds were 1600-2000 MB/min backing up to an LTO3 external tape drive connected via SCSI.

May 16th we were hit by a worm targetting Symantec Products, specifically Symantec Corporate Antivirus 10. This resulted in only one casualty, the server with BE12 installed. The OS was hosed. Reinstalled the OS and installed remote agent. Installed BE12 on another server, then restored the entire OS via the remote agent to EFSSVR11. Worked fine. Uninstalled Remote Agent, reinstalled BE12. Finally got it installed and patched, patch the OS to latest patches (Including SP2).

Backup Exec had the original jobs and configuration settings still, so I let the job run. It dropped to 770 MB/min.

I have done EVERYTHING I can think of to fix this, including disabling the retarded networking pack included with SP2, even though this is a local backup. I have even installed a brand new SCSI 160 card into a brand new server and installed BE12 onto that, and still have not seen any change in the software's backup speed.

Symantec Tech support has confirmed that our throughput is 1140 GB/S. Yes, that's GBPS, not GBPM, we have overhead enabled on the dual Gig network cards (Intel by the way).

I have ruled out any networking related issue. The backup is as slow remotely as it is locally.

Now for some interesting facts:

Backing up .pst files back up at over 2400 MB/Min. We backed up 3 gig files to local and to tape, same spped.

The file server has three disks in it, seperated onto four logical partitions. Disk 0 has C and D. C backs up at 350 MB/Min, D 1200 MB/min. Disk 1 has F (3% fragmentation) and backs up at 650 MB/min. Disk 2 has G (1% fragmentation) and backs up at 650 MB/min.

Backing up just the test folder (5 Gig) from G gives me 1800 MB/min.

Symantec Tech support has promised call backs and to look into it but as can be expected from this wonderful customer service age, I have heard nothing back, and will likely devote another two hours to hold and one to be told that they'll call me back after reviewing tests tomorrow. So I'm hoping that somebody here will have some experience with this situation. The only thing that changed was the OS was restored from tape, the OS was patched to SP2. That's all. Nothing more. The myriad changes since have done nothing to improve or harm the backup speed.

I have tried running with AOFO, no AOFO, with Symantec's AOFO (never again!)
, BE bare bones, BE fully patched, x64 bit, x86 bit, TOE, no TOE, nothing works. And downgrading the OS to SP1 is not an option, due to security requirements within the company.

Anyone at all have any ideas?

The tech even admits that the throughput of the disks is possible at 2400+ MB/min.

What's unusual is everything is half of what it used to be before that worm and restore. Sections that backed up at 2400 now back up at 1200, sections that backed up at 1400 now backup at 700.

The job used to complete in 3 hours and now takes anywhere from 6 to 9, which really hurts our backup and restore strategy. Hopefully somebody can help me troubleshoot this issue. I will not try to explain to our controller why a brand new LTO 3 drive is backing up slower than our old LTO 2, and I will not try to justify buying another LTO 3 driver like tech support suggested "Splitting the job to multiple tape drives."

This worked before. No hardware changed. Only one piece of software should have changed, if the restore works as advertised. Transfering files directly between servers takes mere seconds (I can transfer 3 gigs in seconds).

I appreciate any feedback that can be offered. If I have left anything out, please make note of it and I'll fill in the blanks. Thank you!

Chris Crabtree
Systems/Network Administrator
  • Finally fixed it. The problem was twofold.

     

    Firstly, if you don't have the files you're backing up as a member of your "local Intranet" in windows explorer under the account you're running backup exec as, it will run extremely slowly. Secondly, the AOFO option, after adding the files to the Local Intranet zone, was slowing things down.

     

    Previously, adding or removing AOFO made no difference, but once we added the Local Intranet entry, it blazes, at 1600 Mb/min.

     

    Settings I ended up tweaking:

     

    NTFS Single Instance: Yes

    AOFO: None

    Advanced Open File option when AOFO is not used: Without a Lock

     

    Restoring the default buffer settings to our tape drive and applying these settings, along with one last critical thing, fixed it.

     

    Final thing? Job priority: Medium.

     

    Running the job priority: Highest seemed to slow it down by 200 MB/Min or more. 

     

    I hope this helps somebody, since Symantec obviously has no clue!

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  • Cheers for useless tech support:

    "I have reviewed your information and conferred with several colleagues. At this point we believe that the performance on your systems although different from what it used to be is performing within normal parameters. I say this because of the very good performance you got on backing up a 900MB .PST file at over 2000MB/min to tape and disk over the network and locally. This proves that backup exec is performing normally. There are not any other settings to change how good that file was backing up versus how much slower thousands of files took to backup. This is normal for a file based backup application. I also agree with you that it should not be very different from before but this is now a "different system" after the reload from base. If speed is the most important aspect of your backups then I suggest reverting back to version 11d 7170 as that is currently the fastest version available in my opinion. It would not be difficult to do and your 12 serial will work in 11d. All the agents would need to be uninstalled and reinstalled with version 11 agents. Let me know what you want to do."

    So let's get this straight, their fix? Downgrade. Lets see here, our company paid a significant amount for 12 and the agents, and their only answer is to use the older model?

    So let me get this straight, let's say I have a brand new '08 sports car, and take it into the shop. It used to go 100 mph, and when I got it back it only goes 50 mph tops. What company can honestly tell you with a straight face to go to last years model if you're having issues with this years, when it worked fine before.

    I just patched backup Exec to the latest patch kit and backup speed has dropped another 100 MB /min. Our Terminal and Engineering File server backup at 1600-2000 MB/min. Our main file server is 650 Mb/min (with 200 GB of data). Backups are unacceptably slow! Any help folks?
  • Finally fixed it. The problem was twofold.

     

    Firstly, if you don't have the files you're backing up as a member of your "local Intranet" in windows explorer under the account you're running backup exec as, it will run extremely slowly. Secondly, the AOFO option, after adding the files to the Local Intranet zone, was slowing things down.

     

    Previously, adding or removing AOFO made no difference, but once we added the Local Intranet entry, it blazes, at 1600 Mb/min.

     

    Settings I ended up tweaking:

     

    NTFS Single Instance: Yes

    AOFO: None

    Advanced Open File option when AOFO is not used: Without a Lock

     

    Restoring the default buffer settings to our tape drive and applying these settings, along with one last critical thing, fixed it.

     

    Final thing? Job priority: Medium.

     

    Running the job priority: Highest seemed to slow it down by 200 MB/Min or more. 

     

    I hope this helps somebody, since Symantec obviously has no clue!

  • What syntex did you use to add backup files to the local intranet? Did you do this on the client or the server?

     

    Thanks for your help.
  • I've got exactly the same issues as above, please can you explain the syntax with adding the file pacth to explorer as above?

     

    I'm desperatate to get this backup rate improved.

  • ummm... hate to sound like an old aoler, but, me too...

     

    Had a meltdown last week when I started using AOFO... but then I coldn't backup exchanage store at all.. said can't backup while in use... so I got the VSS writer hotfix from MS and praise whoever you praise, God to Jimi Hendrix, I was able to backup, but I do have the AOFO turned on... only difference that I know of and it's going about half the pace.  Usually about 1.7 GB/M, now doing 850MB/M... :-(  Is this really the AOFA?  I really need to get a backup done, so not going to interrupt this, even thought it's going to take at least 40 hours ... geesh.  And then the verify.  I swear everything I do with v12 is one step backwards, 1/2 step ahead, 1/4 step backwards again.

     

    My company is strapped, they wouldn't cough up for nearly $3K support contract... so I told them hey, I'll figure it out myself.  And I have, for the last 2 months I've been learing every little niggle about BE12.  Well, I'm going to start consulting soon anyway and I find anything you learn yourself is worth more than someone fixing it for you so.... all in all, this is highly interesting and I'll do a test without the AOFO turned on over the wknd. 

     

    I didn't understand the local intranet thingy mentioned above, can anyone expand on it?  I just use an admin account for my backups.  It's all on our Intranet... and one agent in our DMZ for the mailstore, but we havne't even touched that yet.

     

    well, it's late here in Lake Wobegon...  just remember, "The reason that god made farts smell is so Deaf poeple could enjoy them as well."

     

    Cheers

     

     

  • Previously, adding or removing AOFO made no difference, but once we added the Local Intranet entry, it blazes, at 1600 Mb/min.

     

    What was meant by "but once we added the Local Intranet entry"?