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CoMurphy
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10 years ago

LTO-4 Retirment Policy

Hello does anyone have a best choice or retirement policy for using LTO-4 tapes? We feel our tapes may be a bit too old but we aren't sure what the best time frame would be.

 

 

 

Thanks,

Connor

  • Those status 84 - are those SCSI sense key code "Recorded entity not found " ?. Usually when tape drive is on the decline, they start to throw a growing number of "Recorded entity not found". Also read and write speed is not where near original speed because of read/write corrections.

    With a 3 week retention, max usage over a 4 year period will be no more than 70 full writes. That is not enough to wear out a tape.

    See the Tape durability table at Wikipedia (Pls ensure to read the table correctly).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_Tape-Open

    According to the table, you are nowhere near end of service life of the tapes. 

    I have still LTO4 in operation - but will be replaced in 2015 due space congestion in my robots.

    If the capacity is OK for you and you have plenty of avaiable tapes, a continued use to use them should be OK Once vendors won't support LTO4 anymore - its time to replace for real.

    Hope you can use the info

    Best Regards

    Nicolai

     

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  • What is the minimum retention for yore enviroment ?

    Has tape drives been cleaned or replaced recently ?

  • The minimum retention is 3 weeks, we have some up to 7 years. We constantly clean our drives, but we have been getting a lot of (84) errors for backups. Tape drives have not been replaced recently, however they are within 1-2 years old for most of them.

     

    Thanks,

    Connor

  • Those status 84 - are those SCSI sense key code "Recorded entity not found " ?. Usually when tape drive is on the decline, they start to throw a growing number of "Recorded entity not found". Also read and write speed is not where near original speed because of read/write corrections.

    With a 3 week retention, max usage over a 4 year period will be no more than 70 full writes. That is not enough to wear out a tape.

    See the Tape durability table at Wikipedia (Pls ensure to read the table correctly).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_Tape-Open

    According to the table, you are nowhere near end of service life of the tapes. 

    I have still LTO4 in operation - but will be replaced in 2015 due space congestion in my robots.

    If the capacity is OK for you and you have plenty of avaiable tapes, a continued use to use them should be OK Once vendors won't support LTO4 anymore - its time to replace for real.

    Hope you can use the info

    Best Regards

    Nicolai

     

  • Hi Nicolai,

     

    This is very good information. It would seem our tapes are still in their normal life span. I am not seeing the error "Recorded entity not found", I am seeing media write error and it seems to be only on RMAN backups.

     

    Thank you for the table and wiki link.

     

     

    Thanks,

    Connor

  • Also is there any easy way to tell how old a tape is? With how many backups we run on these tapes daily we would like to start enforcing a 2 year old retirement policy. Not sure if anyone knows how to tell how old a tape is.

     

    Thanks for any help,

    Connor

  • If you do not feel comfortable with the tapes you should replace them. The cost of saving a few dollars can be the inability to do r restores from them when you need it the most. It is not just how many times the tapes are used. You also have to take into consideration their storage conditions. The tables referenced earlier are just guidelines. They should not be used blindly. A vendor tried to sell me a device once. It will read the chip in the tape cartridge and use a proprietary algorithm to predict thy tee likelihood of tape failure. It costs around US$4000. I find it cheaper to replace my tapes around the 2 year mark
  • pkh,

     

    I think we are going to start using the 2 yr and older approach = retired.

     

    Thanks for the information

     

    Thanks,

    Connor
     

  • This is a copy/ paste from an update I gave in an old thread ...  excuse me for not typeing it out again, but I'm in a hurry and have to dash out ...

    With regards to StorSentry, not sure who markets this at the moment, it ws sold through Imation but I think that has changed.

    ****************

    I did an approx year long investigation on this same subject and the tape manufacturer 'Imation' was also involved. I have also spent time at the Imation lab in Germany, speaking with some of their tape experts.

    Although the manufacturers quote lifetime in terms on number of mounts we concluded it was not an accurate way to meansure tape condition. When I say we, this included one of Imations tape experts, not someone who knows a bit about tapes, someone who knows a lot ...

    It is not so much the number of mounts, it is how the tape is treated when it is used, how it is stored, how it is transported.

    Put another way, if you 'shoe shine' a brand new tape (that is, run it below the streaming speed) you could, with the right software, pick up the damage this has done is say a couple of weeks. Further, if you shoe shine a tape, the internal tape pack as it is known, becomes irregular (think of unrolling a roll of paper kitchen towel and then rolling it back up again - the two ends are no longer flat) - same with tape, some of the wraps of tape protrude from the pack. When the tape is moved, the vibration can cause the edges of the tape to become creased if then knock against the inside of the casing - known as edge damage. Under just the right conditions, even the vibration cause by the tape being moved by the robot can cause this. (I know this as we had edge damage on tapes that had never been removed from the library, so that was the only possible explanation).

    Put a tape into a bad dive, it could cause tape damage instantly, or accelerate the wear on the tape - nothing to do with the number of mounts.

    More usful is the total end-to-end writes, but as a tape is probably not filled every time it is written, this is pretty impossible to measure.

    It is simply, an almost impossible thing to measure, without specialist software, such as StorSentry.

    Studies using StorSentry showed that companies, that replaced all thir tapes after 3 years (just to be safe) in fact would only have to have replaced around 4 - 5 % of their tapes, that is, only this percntage showed issues in terms of error rate.

    For the record, I'm no involved with StorSentry, but have used it and it is very ggod. It monitors tapes/ drives at a 'low' level, and alerts when the tape/ drives hit a preset (but adjustable) limit. That way they can be swapped out before failure.

    Sofftware like this (there are others) is the only way to determine the true state.

    You could monitor the /usr/openv/netbackup/db/media/errors file for any media/ drives that apppear frequently.

    I wrote tperr to assist with this:

    https://www-secure.symantec.com/connect/downloads/...

    It uses statistics, so is more accurate the bigger the errors file, and has proved, on average, to be fairly accurate. Unfortunately, I've only tested it on Solaris.

    Another option:
    http://www.imation.com/en-US/Scalable-Storage/Scal...

    This uses the data held on the internal LTO chip to ideentify bad drives/ media. The first version of this involved Imation coming to site and manually scanning the tapes and running analysis on the results. In my case they pulled out 15 tapes from about a 1000 that had issues, so I've seen it and can confirm it works.

    If your tapes are treated perfectly, never run below streaming speed, kept at the exact correct temperature and humidity, in a 100% clean environment and are never transported, then yes, I would agree the number of mounts would be more meaning full.

    In my experience, very few companies can guarantee this, and hence the usefulness of no of mounts is reduced.

    Oh, I just remembered, StorSentry also reports on drives that are 'show-shining' tapes ...

    http://www.quotium.com/prod/storageManagement.php

    Some of the screen shots are in French, the software is written by Hi-Stor wen is a French company.