Ran the MDAC checker, and all looks ok there. I am not sure what the GFI List server service is. DId some checking on Google, and we don't have a list server running, so I don't think that is the problem. I tried both hotfix 10 and 15, both still fail. They get to the point of starting the services, then rolls back. Something I guess chokes but what. Any more ideas would be helpful.