NBU7.0 Priority between Automatically backup and User backup

[StarWorld]

I have a backup job, it must be called by application, because no backup is allowed during server's application running.

We use ARCserve to perform backup before, after the application shutdown, the application call a scritp to perform the backup job.

now we change to NBU 7.0, I add a new policy and create 3 three schedule, full backup on weekend, increment backup from Monday to Thrusday, and user backup when needed, then on the client side, edited the script to call bpbackup.exe, I add two script, one for fullbackup, the other for increment.

I just wonder, if there is priority exist, when the time for both full backup and user backup comes, which type of backup will perform or both of the 2 types of them will perform?

[Zahid_Haseeb]

Off course as you said  ""I add a new policy and create 3 three schedule""

if you define a schedule for user you will definitely configure a Time Window for it and when you define the auto backup via NBU Server you will definitely define a Time Window for that as well. So you select different time for both backup in the Time Window

[Kiran_Bandi]

As both jobs are of same policy, Job priority attribute will not make any difference.

Generally a backup job with lower frequency schedule will have the higher priority.

[StarWorld]

Dear all,

Thanks for your reply, please see the picture below.

We need user backup because the time for shutdown application is not always the same.

My question is if the time on Sunday 2:00 am,  the application called user backup, at this time which backup will execute? full or user?

[Zahid_Haseeb]

Planning user backup and archive schedules, Page # 158 of Netbackup Administrator Guide Vol1 for windows

Guide Link

http://www.symantec.com/business/support/index?page=content&id=TECH52803

Guide Extracts

To plan schedules for user backups and archives, consider the following:

■ What are the most convenient times for users to perform backups? If possible, do not permit user backups and archives when automatic backups are running. If an automatic backup is running when a user submits a backup or archive, NetBackup usually queues the user job. The job is not queued if there is a limiting setting. (For example, the Limit Jobs per Policy policy attribute or the Maximum Jobs per Client Global Attributes host property.)

If the automatic backup continues to run, the user job misses the backup window. User jobs delay automatic backups and can cause backups to miss the backup window. See “Limit jobs per policy” on page 103 and “Maximum jobs per client” on page 436.

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Which storage unit should be used for user backups? Use a different storage unit to eliminate conflicts with automatic backups.

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Which volume pool should be used for user backups? Use a different volume pool if you want to manage the media separate from the automatic backup media.

Caution: If the retention period expires for a backup, it can be difficult or impossible to restore the archives or backups.

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How long should an archive be kept? Consider setting the retention period for archives to infinite, since the disk copy of the files is deleted. For more information, see “Retention” on page 144.

Creating separate policies for user schedules

User backup and archive schedules do not need to be in a policy separate from automatic backup schedules. If you create separate policies for user backups or archives, the considerations are similar to those for automatic backups. In user backup schedules, however, no backup selection list is necessary because users select the objects before they start the backup or archive.http://www.symantec.com/business/support/index?page=content&id=TECH52803

[StarWorld]

thanks Zahid, through active monitor, I can see my User backup(use batch file) started at 6:10 am this morning, backup type is IncrementBackup. and my increamentbackup did not start at 6:00 pm last night, why?

My batch file has only one line:

C:\Progra~1\VERITAS\Netbackup\bin\bpbackup.exe -p mypolicy -i -s IncrementBackup -L C:\BacupLog.txt

[Zahid_Haseeb]

Any error on Activity Monitor for your last night incremental backup ? was any backup running at that time ?

[StarWorld]

Backup successful, please check the following logs:

Backup started 10/29/2010 05:38:26

Progress logs may exist on individual clients

05:38:31 INF - Starting bpbrm
05:38:36 INF - START C:\Program Files\VERITAS\NetBackup\bin\bpstart_notify.BAT
05:38:36 INF - END C:\Program Files\VERITAS\NetBackup\bin\bpstart_notify.BAT
05:38:36 INF - BACKUP START
05:38:39 INF - Waiting for mount of media id XVTL31 on server bstsbackup2 for writing
05:38:45 INF - Mounted media id XVTL31
05:38:46 INF - Beginning backup on server bstsbackup2 of client bspjdb
05:40:46 INF - Enabling volume snapshots for (C:), please wait...
05:45:58 INF - Volume snapshots not enabled
05:45:58 INF - Excluded volume snapshot file: C:\pagefile.sys
05:46:01 WRN - can't open file: C:\TEMP\TCL74CD.tmp (WIN32 32: The process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process. )
05:46:01 WRN - can't open file: C:\TEMP\TCL74DE.tmp (WIN32 32: The process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process. )
05:46:01 WRN - can't open file: C:\TEMP\TCL74DF.tmp (WIN32 32: The process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process. )
05:46:01 WRN - can't open file: C:\TEMP\TCL750F.tmp (WIN32 32: The process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process. )
05:46:01 WRN - can't open file: C:\TEMP\TCL7512.tmp (WIN32 32: The process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process. )
05:46:01 WRN - can't open file: C:\TEMP\TCL7515.tmp (WIN32 32: The process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process. )
05:46:11 INF - Enabling volume snapshots for (D:), please wait...
05:46:27 INF - Volume snapshots enabled
05:46:53 INF - Excluded volume snapshot file: D:\pagefile.sys
05:46:53 INF - Enabling volume snapshots for (E:), please wait...
05:51:19 INF - Volume snapshots enabled
05:59:38 INF - Excluded volume snapshot file: E:\pagefile.sys
05:59:39 INF - Enabling volume snapshots for (G:), please wait...
06:00:00 INF - Volume snapshots enabled
07:01:38 INF - Excluded volume snapshot file: G:\pagefile.sys
07:01:38 INF - Enabling volume snapshots for (H:), please wait...
07:06:52 INF - Volume snapshots not enabled
07:07:32 INF - Enabling volume snapshots for (I:), please wait...
07:12:43 INF - Volume snapshots not enabled
07:13:23 INF - Total Size:111607844 + 92GB
07:13:23 INF - Client completed sending data for backup
07:13:29 INF - Server status = 1
07:13:31 INF - Status = the requested operation was partially successful.




07:15:28 INF - START C:\Program Files\VERITAS\NetBackup\bin\bpend_notify.BAT
07:15:28 INF - END C:\Program Files\VERITAS\NetBackup\bin\bpend_notify.BAT

[Zahid_Haseeb]

Backup successful, please check the following logs:   ????   What are you saying ??

U asked me """" my increamentbackup did not start at 6:00 pm last night, why?

 I am confused what are you trying to ask. Sorry would you please elaborate me what you are trying to ask

[StarWorld]

the job started at 5:38 am this morning, accroding to our application's log,  at that time my application stopped and then called the script to start backup.

I also scheduled increment backup at 6:00 pm from Moday to Thursday(as I have mentioned before I scheduled 3 type backups), this type of backup didn't start, so I ask "My incremetbackup did not start at 6:00 pm last night"

[Zahid_Haseeb]

I think startworld you try to see the logs for your last night job failed(for example go to all log entries) . as far as the policy making is concern you kindly follow the recommanded solution of Netbackup. which says you do make a different policy for user backup

If you want to keep working your own way so i have a recommandation. When your user trigger the backup first he make sure that either any backup must not be running. If it do thn the user backup job will be in queue till the time window close.

[J_H_Is_gone]

I would like to verify just what your policy is set up as. Can you supply the output from the following command:

<installdir>/openv/netbackup/bin/admincmd/bppllist <policyname> -U

(besure to x out your client server name when posting)

[StarWorld]

C:\Program Files\Veritas\NetBackup\bin\admincmd>bppllist MyPolicy -U
------------------------------------------------------------

Policy Name:       MyPolicy

  Policy Type:         MS-Windows
  Active:              no
  Effective date:      08/13/2010 14:51:58
  Backup network drvs: no
  Collect TIR info:    no
  Mult. Data Streams:  no
  Client Encrypt:      no
  Checkpoint:          no
  Policy Priority:     0
  Max Jobs/Policy:     Unlimited
  Disaster Recovery:   0
  Collect BMR info:    no
  Residence:           VTL-NT
  Volume Pool:         NetBackup
  Server Group:        *ANY*
  Keyword:             (none specified)
  Data Classification:       -
  Residence is Storage Lifecycle Policy:    no

Granular Restore Info:  no
Ignore Client Direct:  no
  HW/OS/Client:  Windows-x86   Windows2003   ServerA
                 Windows-x86   Windows2003   ServerB
                 Windows-x86   Windows2003   ServerC

  Include:  C:\
            D:\
            E:\
            G:\
            H:\
            I:\

  Schedule:          Full
    Type:            Full Backup
    Maximum MPX:     1
    Synthetic:       0
    PFI Recovery:    0
    Retention Level: 1 (2 weeks)
    Number Copies:   1
    Fail on Error:   0
    Residence:       (specific storage unit not required)
    Volume Pool:     (same as policy volume pool)
    Server Group:    (same as specified for policy)
    Calendar sched: Enabled
      SPECIFIC DATE 0 - 09/30/2010
      SPECIFIC DATE 1 - 10/09/2010
      Friday, Week 1
      Friday, Week 2
      Friday, Week 3
      Friday, Week 4
      Friday, Week 5
      EXCLUDE DATE 0 - 10/01/2010
      EXCLUDE DATE 1 - 10/08/2010
    Residence is Storage Lifecycle Policy:     0
    Daily Windows:
          Friday     22:00:00  -->  Monday     22:00:00

  Schedule:          IncrementBackup
    Type:            Differential Incremental Backup
    Frequency:       every 7 days
    Maximum MPX:     1
    Synthetic:       0
    PFI Recovery:    0
    Retention Level: 1 (2 weeks)
    Number Copies:   1
    Fail on Error:   0
    Residence:       (specific storage unit not required)
    Volume Pool:     (same as policy volume pool)
    Server Group:    (same as specified for policy)
    Residence is Storage Lifecycle Policy:     0
    Daily Windows:
          Monday     18:00:00  -->  Monday     23:50:00
          Tuesday    18:00:00  -->  Tuesday    23:50:00
          Wednesday  18:00:00  -->  Wednesday  23:50:00
          Thursday   18:00:00  -->  Thursday   23:50:00

  Schedule:          User
    Type:            User Backup
    Maximum MPX:     1
    Synthetic:       0
    PFI Recovery:    0
    Retention Level: 1 (2 weeks)
    Number Copies:   1
    Fail on Error:   0
    Residence:       (specific storage unit not required)
    Volume Pool:     (same as policy volume pool)
    Server Group:    (same as specified for policy)
    Residence is Storage Lifecycle Policy:     0
    Daily Windows:
          Sunday     00:00:00  -->  Saturday   23:59:59