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Upgraded from 7.0 SP2 to 2007 today.

Brian_Day
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Well today was the day. Symantec came on site and we upgraded our systems from 7.0 SP2 to 2007 today. So far things look like they went well. We'll be doing another health check tomorrow and some training/knowledge transfer. The engineer found a few reg keys we were missing for better performance & GUI interaction, got our PDF conversion working, and setus up for "rolling indexes" for users to aid us in cutting down service interruption if we ever have to rebuild a corrupt index rebuilding.

Things I noticed so far.

1. Some backend servers want a reboot, some do not. Why? 13 out of 16 backend servers did not need reboots. No noticeable commonality between those that did.

2. Some confusion on the /PAE switch. We have /PAE enabled (but no /3GB) on our EV servers. One EV server didn't complaint about it, but the other 5 did and would not let us continue until we removed it from boot.ini. The KB article it points you to only mentions /3GB and nothign about /PAE. This should be rectified in some way. Either give official guidance on /PAE, or do not force us to remove it. I re-enabled it after installing 2007.

3. Our front-end servers appeared to upgrade correctly, but testing OWA found that deleting any item from OWA no longer worked. This included non-archived normal items. The only way to get it to work was to uninstall EV, copy the original OWA control files back to their proper directory, delete the "originals copied by EV" directory, reboot, then reinstall EV 2007 from scratch. No clue yet what happened here, don't really care now that it is fixed. Something to keep an eye on for the rest of you though.

4. I'm not quite sure I like the execution of "recover deleted items" yet. I'll ask the engineer in the morning, but it doesn't look like it'll be self-serving for the users. You have to look at the properties of the user's Archive, go to a deleted items tab, and click recover deleted items. You can only recover all items in a single batch, not one by one like one normally can with Outlook's recovery deleted items feature. Perhaps if we give the users the ability to see their archive properties it will be available to them. I'll find out tomorrow.

5. The 7.0 licenses are compatible with 7.5. Even though we were promised the upgrade notices would go out by 8/6, we have not received ours yet.

6. The upgrade proceedure is identical to the 7.0 SP2 upgrade we did two or so weeks ago.

7. The 2007 user extension .msi is another megabyte or so bigger (if anyone cares).

8. The broken "close" button in Archive Explorer seems to have been removed, or I just cannot find it anymore, lol.

9. You can finally set "Users can delete archived items" at the user level instead of at the site level. Woo hoo!!

10. Performance? Tough to say since we are only in pilot mode with 20 users archiving right now. The engineer says it should be far better than it was in 7.0. I don't really expect any issues once we roll it out to production, but we'll see.

11. Vault usage reports seemed to actually be working, they were slow and/or wouldn't work in 7.0. I'll keep trying them.

12. Nothing had to be done to the SQL 2005 SP2 server for the upgrade to work.

13. Clusters definitely make the process a little more intricate. You really have to keep tracks on each step for each node as its easy to miss one. I'd love to see a little more automation to these processes.

14. I really really really wish there was a way to automate the moving of users from one EV server to another. In our environment we are sometimes required to move hundreds or thousands of users from one Exchange server to another. The second Exchange server will not necessarily be served by the same Enterprise Vault server. The only way I see to deal with this for us to day is to a) disable user archiving, b) export their content back to Exchange, c) move the mailboxes, d) re-enable archiving, e) let archiving happen all over again. This is pretty much the epitome of inefficiency. It would be great for somehow if the provisioning task had some logic to say "Oh **bleep**. I know that user, they moved from here to there and another EV server handle that Exchange server. I better start migrating their content over there. Some of you are probably wondering "why in the hell does this matter?". We have to keep track of who's data is where from a legal standpoint and for simple things such as maintenance so we can notify the proper customers that their vaults will be unavailable if something must take place that takes the whole cluster down.

15. I'll know more tomorrow evening. :)

Message Edited by Brian Day on 08-13-200709:53 PM

Message Edited by Brian Day on 08-13-200709:57 PM

Message Edited by Brian Day on 08-13-200710:37 PM

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TonySterling
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On the properties of the Archive Task look on the Shortcut Deletion tab.  It will run once a week at the scheduled time.

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Brian_Day
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More info...

#3, this was a mistake with how we installed the upgrade for the Back-End and Front-End extensions. We were instructed to install them right over the existing ones. You can't do that. The installer even throws a window up (if you take the time to read it) saying it won't upgrade the control files if it detects the non-original ones. Since we were told to do it this way, I kept hitting "yes" or "next" until the install started.

#4, ok recovering deleted items is in fact an administrator-only initiated feature (who do I have to buy a case of beer for end-users to get this ability through the client? :) We tested it, and there is a learning curve.

Example, if you set the deleted recovery time-frame to 14 days and deleted the archived item... any existing shrotcuts will STILL retrieve the item properly without initiating a recovery of the deleted items. I expect after 14 days those shortcuts would no longer work. It appears that the initial deletion now only removes the item from the indexes so you can no longer find it in Archive Explorer, or Vault Search.

When you recover deleted items through vault, they get dropped back into your Deleted Items folder in their original formats. They are no longer archived items.

#16 (new item!), this is probably old news to some of you. If you are using the full DCOM client make **bleep** sure if you have multiple AD domains that a CNAME exists in each DNS zone pointing back to the Vault Site Alias CNAME in the DNZ zone your EV servers live in. If you don't have this, the DCOM client fails with some operations, but not all.

#17 (new item!), see https://forums.symantec.com/syment/board/message?board.id=106&message.id=11052 Having trouble with archive search/explore through OWA as well as restore/archive using RPC-o-HTTPS.

Message Edited by Brian Day on 08-15-200709:16 PM

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Hey Brian,
Are you aware of the Delete Orphan Shortcut setting?  With that enabled items that are deleted via Archive Explorer or a search page will have their Shortcut removed from Outlook.
 
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Brian_Day
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Hi Tony, yes we have that feature enabled. I don't actually know how often it runs though. Is it during the archive task? Thanks.

Brian_Day
Level 6
#17 may be on us, I'll know in the morning. The security team may have accidently turned off a couple rules in ISA when checking for any needed config changes. When I connect with VPN and hit the internal ISA IP instead of the external one it works fine.

TonySterling
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On the properties of the Archive Task look on the Shortcut Deletion tab.  It will run once a week at the scheduled time.

Brian_Day
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Thanks, Tony, good to know how it functions. #17 was fixed, a front end server had a misconfiguration causing custom error reporting to fail. Once support found it we were able to quickly resolve the issue.